What is your vision for the North Adelaide Golf Course?

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  • antonholmes over 3 years ago
    A major part of the income for the course is through memberships. However there is a limit to the amount of times available for members to play in competitions, particularly on the weekend.

    Practice facilities are minimal and not of a very high standard resulting in promising players to be poached by other clubs offering more appropriate facilities for their development.

    While the layout of the South course is acceptable, the general maintenance is not always of a level which encourages people to return week on week, particularly the general public. The alternative public courses, eg The Pat, have far more player friendly conditions. Fringes around the greens that don't stop the ball dead, flat tee blocks, fairways that are cut short enough to be allow the ball to run from good tee shots.
    The fastest way for the course to become more profitable is to encourage the growth of the clubs. Each and every members green fee ticket equates to roughly 25-30 public member rounds of golf. Those people also then spend a substantial amount of money across the bar and pro shop.

    1 new members = 30 casual public rounds of golf.
    10 new members = 300 casual public rounds of golf.

    There does need to be something done about the number of dog walkers that take their pets and let them run off leash through the middle of competitions and public members playing on the course.
    More visibility from the rangers and enforcing fines for those breaking the law and often times abusing those using the course in the manner that it is designed to be used.
    If they can abide by the law and not interfere with those using the cause then there is no problems. As soon as they are breaking the law and disrupting the others, restrictions to the access to the course should be considered.

    Catering and food in the pro shop is very limited and often times (catering in particular) quite expensive.

    Additional competitions.
    Twilight competition through summer.

    Improvements to the conditions of the bunkers.

    Firming up of the fairways and a more consistent speed to the greens.
    Prior to the Lord Mayors/Lady Mayoress Trophies the greens are brought up to a speed and condition that makes them quite consistent and the ball roll true. Why can't this be maintained all year round?
    Fairway grass is way too long and hence not knitting tightly enough to give run. Placing the club behind the ball on the fairway often results in the ball rolling back on to the club. This should not happen.

    I'm sure there are many other little items that could be addressed, however with proper consultation of the major user groups, and those that are on the course every week, i'm sure that a decent result can be achieved.
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  • frank149 over 3 years ago
    Any form of restrictive fencing which inhibits citizen movement across these parkland areas at any time of the day is unacceptable.

    The present arrangements are quite appropriate and do not inhibit golfers enjoying their pastime.

    Please don't change this aspect of these courses
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    • Corsair999 over 3 years ago
      It is just a matter of time before a member of the public strays onto a fairway one Saturday afternoon and wears a golf ball at speed in the ear. They will have no one to blame but themselves of course but the onus will fall onto the Council and the golfers to prevent a repeat. A fence... even a small one... and a few more warning signs would be in order. Bet it happens this coming AFL season, given the people who use the golf course to access the Adelaide Oval.
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  • arg over 3 years ago
    I am a twenty-five year resident of North Adelaide, a ratepayer and member of the North Adelaide Golf Club. I live close by in Ward Street so am lucky enough to have the parklands and golf links as my ‘back garden’. We regularly walk our little dog in and around the parklands (on lead with poop bag at the ready), and are therefore very conscious of the pros and cons of our environment.
    • Parking and community affects: First of all, it is clear that the parking associated with the course is inadequate, poorly allocated and planned. It doesn’t serve the hospital’s staff, patients, visitors or golfers well. Visually, it is an eye sore and presents a number of safety concern and noise elements.
    • Allocation and realignment of parking: The current corner position of the car park should be restored to parkland use, and beautified with proper access steps and ramps for hospital and visitor use. The car park should be excavated to provide a flatter and larger car park facility joined to the parking areas nearer the clubhouse. So, from a streetscape perspective the corner would show as parkland, the car park would be larger without encroaching or stealing net parkland, and proper safety standards and parking income could be generated.
    • Course Design: The facility should comprise one world class public course (the South Course); a proper driving range for coaching, member and public use on the first fairway of the North Course (perhaps under lights); and a re-worked and improved North Course comprising a 12-14 hole experience deleting the existing 17th and 18th North Course holes. Repatriation of more remote North Course holes to parkland use.
    • Management and Income Generation: Management of facilities is confusing. There needs to be one leader responsible for all aspects of the course. The clubhouse, taking into consideration more attractive parking and approach aspects, could be revitalised to provide better catering, hosting and corporate events. A well managed, properly advertised café/restaurant could work but not in it’s current form. The maintenance of the course is poor. With regard to more income generation, staff and ground staff need to be empowered to challenge ad hoc users – there are plenty of these that just jump on both courses without paying.
    • Course Management and Maintenance: There are plenty of instances where doing a job right the first time would provide dividends. One example being - grounds staff constantly spread dolomite to steep pathways and watercourses, which are immediately washed away during rain periods. There would be a limited number of these pathways that could be bitumised (with the soft feel bitumen used for some steps and the 3rd tee block) to improve the course. They would look better, they would be safer and ultimately be far more cost effective. The cost of dolomite, labour and constant wear and tear of the course and overall ineffectiveness could be eradicated.
    • Greens and Tee Blocks: The replacement of greens and tee blocks should be left to the professionals. Rather than create a ‘green nursery’ for months with all the attendant labour costs etc, followed by a green being out of commission for 2-3 months thereafter, why not get an external company involved? The initial cost may be high but a true cost analysis may reveal the contrary. The Adelaide Oval seems to be able to drop pitches in and out at will.
    Our parklands are an amazing asset to Adelaide, and our golf course facilities should be the jewel in this crown. A venue that is sought out and valued by the playing public, it’s members and visiting tourists. Careful investment, cleverly managed rather than wasted on too many grandiose plans needs to be considered. And these need to be adopted one step at a time culminating in an affordable and creative outcome for all stakeholders.
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    • whitewaylm11 over 3 years ago
  • Brian and Maureen Arnott over 3 years ago
    Please actively maintain/repair the footpath in the Golf Course which runs alongside Strangways Terrace. It is very overgrown and much of the bitumen is worn away.
  • Corsair999 over 3 years ago
    First things first. Thanks for the opportunity to contribute to this process, but I would like to see this Master Plan followed through unlike so many in the past, which are gathering dust on someone's shelf.
    I understand the club has submitted that the South Course be upgraded, and the North Course be turned into a 9-hole championship layout to complement the South's 18 to provide a 27-hole layout which can be played in different configurations of 18. Love it! Do it! But make sure that each 9 starts and finishes at the clubhouse. The current situation where you finish your front nine on the South course out on Memorial Drive is silly, and sacrifices a huge financial opportunity in terms of casual players who want to play 9-holes only.
    We desperately need a better practice facility. The genius who thought a 45 degree slope as the main feature of the practice putting green should be found and shot. That said, the area covering the 1st tee and 18th green of the North course even now is a great practice area. With some further work, it could well rival the magnificent practice facilities at the Patawalonga course. I live in hope.
    Which brings me to my next beef. As a member of NAGC, I am heartily sick and tired of the professional constantly shooing us away on a Saturday morning, because we are interrupting the juniors coaching! He does it nicely of course, but the subtext is clear. We are treated like nuisances because we... the paying members... are interrupting his alternate income stream. If those kids could then follow up by becoming members that would be fine, but I'm pretty certain they won't. No... repeat, no, golf club of any substance treats its members with such contempt on the major competition day. An alternative arrangement (e.g. coach at the par 3 course) should be implemented as a priority!
    When it comes to alternative income streams however, a refreshed clubhouse/turned function centre will be a goldmine. With the million dollar view of our city skyline, this has the potential to be a standout venue in this city. Do it properly, do it well! As for parking, I'm no expert, but other suggestions offered here are worth considering.
    Finally, the one thing I fear with this Master Plan is opposition by tree-huggers, Parkland zealots, and the self-entitled dog walkers of North Adelaide. Let's be clear about this. A golf course can be a dangerous place to the uninformed and the ill-prepared. A well-struck golf ball (weighing about 46g) will leave the driver at 41 metres a second, packing a force of 900+ kilos early in its flight path. If you are in its way, it can injure or kill you by way of impact injuries such as fractures, severe bruising or cerebral haemorrhage in the case of a head shot. Whatever right the above-mentioned stakeholders may claim to have over the golf course on the basis of its parklands status, must surely take second place to the very obvious dangers inherent in blithely strolling on to what is essentially a firing range.
    As golfers, we are aware of these risks and take the appropriate actions to mitigate them. The dog-walkers, cyclists, hikers, football fans seeking a shortcut to the Adelaide Oval, etc do not! As I've mentioned elsewhere should they be struck, it will be their fault and their's alone but the onus will be on the Council and the golfers to prevent a repeat. For reasons of safety and security, I would like to see a fence in areas where the public would be most at risk, namely along War Memorial Drive and much of Strangways Terrace.It doesn't have to be high... and it can have entrance points at regular intervals, but some form of barrier is necessary in my view.
    There endeth the submission.
  • Steve of Clare over 3 years ago
    The Course is historically signficant (one of the first in Australia 1870 started playing, 1890 the club ws founded) and today's Club should celebrate that history and should have a goal, through its redesign to have 27 hole Championship Course (18/9) that is of a standard to hold Pennant Golf Championships and an annual professional tournment (with a special focus on running a World Junior Professionals Tournament - under the age of 24). The course layout of the South Course shoud remain substantially as is, with improvements to fairway layout and greens/traps. Introduction of fairway water features and the fairways grass dramatically improved. Including the creation of a virtual North Adelaide olf Course that records every tree and fairway and green, and measures its contribution to the planet in terms of carbon removed from the atmosphere and returned to the ground. Would also be great to see the course fenced off with child proof gates, and the course holding manageable numbers of native animals such as wallabies and kangaroos to attract tourists!
    The course should have inbedded smarts into the fairways to assist with the use of new technologies to measure distances from tee to green, electric scorecards, location of a ball. Sensors could manage the course environment from water to trees and soils. The smarts embedded in the course layout could then be used to be Australia's first golf course maintained by autonomous 'green mowers', fairway grass cutters that don't require drivers.
    The Club House could be substantially remodelled/redeveloped to be an event centre (weddings, boutique conferences etc) and rooms take full advantage of the spectacular views from the elevated position.
    A new practice tee, under lights could attract more golfers, if run over longer hours through to 9pm most nights of the week.
    It would be great to see this course developed as home to not just Golf SA, but the National Body responsible for the development of junior golf in Australia. North Adelaide with 27 Championship holes could be home to Australian Junior Golf. State of the art golf training equipment should be made available for teaching golf at all levels.
    Thier need to be a rethink on the type of golf events run at the course, with a focus on shorter tournaments, played over 9 and 12 holes. These type of tournaments are attracting young people back to the game overseas, with shorter tournaments taking up shorter times to play.
    The Club could have direct links to courses in our sister cities, with a focus on reciprocal playing rights and attracting tourists from Shandong and Quingdao to the North Adelaide Golf Club (including electric cart colelction from CBD Hotels, via a 'cart track' from the CBD to the course.
    The 12 Hole Plan from the HSBC Report - 2020 Vision is a solid guideline to follow for North Adelaide Gold Course;
    1. Golf clubs and golf courses will become more family friendly. There will be family
    rooms instead of bars, holes set up for younger players, and certified women friendly
    2. Six and nine hole formats, and other short-forms, complement the 18-hole
    tradition. A pay-TV sports channel accelerates this trend by promoting a professional short-form competition.
    3. Golf will benefit from its association with younger fitter players—driving more
    fashion and more word on the street.
    4. The ‘next’ Tiger Woods—the hot sponsorship and TV property of 2020— will be a young Asian player.
    5. Asian golf brands will be making major inroads into the golf equipment and clothing market.
    6. Golf becomes more unisex. As more women come into the game, golf becomes the way for men and women to
    share leisure time—as cycling has done in richer markets.
    7. Golf simulation games—using motion
    sensors and gestural interfaces—become
    8. Gamers become golfers. Social gaming environments and family-oriented golf
    video games encourage people to move
    into the sport, not the other way around.
    9. The app as caddy: smartphone and
    tablet software helps golfers make the right choices, while sensors in equipment
    and on courses—the smart coach—help players learn from their mistakes.
    10. Golf becomes a centre of expertise in water management, conservation and
    11. The first carbon positive courses are opened—in a hail of publicity.
    12. The authorities change the rules about equipment to reduce the distances
    achieved by professionals and bring course lengths back under control.
    The North Adelaide Golf Course should be one of the nations premier golf courses and a tourist mecca for golfers from around Adelaide, Australia and the world. Just a few thoughts from the desk...
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    • Peter Martens over 3 years ago
      Great thinking Steve. You need to be on the Graham Marsh team.
  • John Maloney over 3 years ago
    i would like seasonal members to be given priority over corporate and private business Use of the 2 courses.

    The time and duration of coaching be more curtailed and not prevent members and the public from using the course for excessively long periods.

    In the current restrictions players are prevented from using the first fairway and 18th and are greatly inconvenienced.
    Coaching MUST BE CURTAILED and for an hour only and booking times restricted for that hour.

    Perhaps re-design the North course to a 9 hole one. improve fairways and upgrade green.

    Allow the 7th and 8th fairways and greens AND the 9th, to the 14th fairways to close and REVERT to public use as Northern precinct PARKLANDS.
  • James Daly over 3 years ago
    Please keep me informed
  • Nicholas Jose over 3 years ago
    Please remember that the golf course has multiple uses and users. We walk on it everyday, usually in the early morning or early evening when there aren't many golfers around. We particularly enjoy walking on the unpaved paths and in the ungrassed areas of native trees where there is a lot of birdlife. This sort of opportunity is unique in an inner area of a major city. Please make sure that amenity is preserved in any changes envisaged. We are ratepayers and that is part of what we pay our rates for as local residents.
  • Dave2 over 3 years ago
    I am in agreement with many of the comments from Steve of Clare. I don't know the financial performance of the North Adelaide Golf Course, but would assume that like most Council owned golf courses it is subsidised by ratepayers. The South course is a very good course, and I would urge Council not to change it in any major way. The North course lacks real purpose and identity. I would encourage the Council to look at converting it to an Executive Short Course - around a par 60 - making it a fair bit shorter, possibly returning excess land to the general parklands, and utilising the money saved by maintaining a smaller course to upgrade the standard of fairways and greens to be comparable with the South course. May mean that a decent practice/driving range can be installed. The Par 3 course is too short to be of any interest to slightly serious golfers, but continues to be popular as a family fun venue. The fact that it is a public course is one of its great attributes, and nothing should be done that restricts the access of the public by way of tournaments or club competitions. The food offering is a bit inadequate at the Club House for the main course, but I acknowledge the difficult economics of providing a better service. I recall efforts over the years to try and attract nongolfing patrons to the venue for food purposes. When players make online bookings, they need to be able to print out car park passes at the same time instead of the current annoying system. Also a system when a time slot can be reserved by one player, who pays for himself, but the system allows his playing partners to log on, pay for their fees and print a car park pass. Signs need to be erected around the edges of the course saying non golfers must always give way to golfers. Walkers are very difficult to see sometimes and the first you notice them is when they appear in the middle of the fairways. Distance guides on sprinkler caps would be useful. Need to identify a supply of low clay content non wetting fine white sand to use in the bunkers. Such a product is readily available down in the Mallee. Bunkers are constantly disappointing after rain or watering. Like Steve, I would also refer you to the HSBS - 2020 report on the future of golf. Has some excellent thoughts.